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Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Mi Sep 17, 2014 2:38 pm

It seems my rear wheel is not completely round, thus making the ride a bit bumpy. Now I am going into my Honda dealer tomorrow morning with my wheel, they will try to adjust it. 10 minutes ago a took of the wheel, and off with tyre. Some of the spokes is a bit tough to loosen, I am not sure I manage to make them free. If so, there is no point taking it to the garage, as it will cost $$$$ to get new ones.

Now, my question is: Is a new (used) rear wheel the "only" easy option here? Or is there any i.e. 17" replacements that could fit? I know there are some very narrow 17" from other old Honda's, but that is not interesting at all. I would stick to the original swingarm, as I have just bought a new set of Hyperpro damper, and I would prefer not to buy another damper :-P



If the OE 16" is the way to go (and I dont manage to fix the one I have), is there anyone in here that have one, and would like to sell and ship to Norway? Don't need brakehub or sprockethub, only the wheel itself. Or does it exist loose rims to buy?

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von scrambler » Do Sep 18, 2014 6:43 am

fikse hat geschrieben:It seems my rear wheel is not completely round, thus making the ride a bit bumpy. Now I am going into my Honda dealer tomorrow morning with my wheel, they will try to adjust it. 10 minutes ago a took of the wheel, and off with tyre. Some of the spokes is a bit tough to loosen, I am not sure I manage to make them free. If so, there is no point taking it to the garage, as it will cost $$$$ to get new ones.

Now, my question is: Is a new (used) rear wheel the "only" easy option here? Or is there any i.e. 17" replacements that could fit? I know there are some very narrow 17" from other old Honda's, but that is not interesting at all. I would stick to the original swingarm, as I have just bought a new set of Hyperpro damper, and I would prefer not to buy another damper :-P

Hi,

If the OE 16" is the way to go (and I dont manage to fix the one I have), is there anyone in here that have one, and would like to sell and ship to Norway? Don't need brakehub or sprockethub, only the wheel itself. Or does it exist loose rims to buy?
First of all: a wheel specialist may be able to straighten the rim – I had this done last week with the front wheel of my scrambler – it cost me around 90€. In Germany I could give you an address, but there should be someone in Norway as well. But usually some spokes can’t be loosened, in which case you need new ones. Stainless steel ones are not that expensive (around 50€). Especially for winter bikers stainless is the way to go, because the original zinc plated ones will rust in no time.
Or you could get yourself a rear wheel from an XL250R or XL350R (not the s versions or the XL500/600) they fit plug and play and then you can choose between a variety of 17 inch tyres.
I can check if I got a good 16’’ or 17’’ wheel in my storage and get back to you (shipping to Norway is 34€)

Cheers, Michael

Ps. I guess you are the first one in this forum to buy an hyperpro damper, so more details would be interesting

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Fr Sep 19, 2014 9:32 am

scrambler hat geschrieben:
First of all: a wheel specialist may be able to straighten the rim – I had this done last week with the front wheel of my scrambler – it cost me around 90€. In Germany I could give you an address, but there should be someone in Norway as well. But usually some spokes can’t be loosened, in which case you need new ones. Stainless steel ones are not that expensive (around 50€). Especially for winter bikers stainless is the way to go, because the original zinc plated ones will rust in no time.
Or you could get yourself a rear wheel from an XL250R or XL350R (not the s versions or the XL500/600) they fit plug and play and then you can choose between a variety of 17 inch tyres.
I can check if I got a good 16’’ or 17’’ wheel in my storage and get back to you (shipping to Norway is 34€)

Cheers, Michael

Ps. I guess you are the first one in this forum to buy an hyperpro damper, so more details would be interesting
Thanks for answer Michael. Now I have been at the local Honda-garage, and the (Betriebsleiter?) did a brilliant job to loosen the 2 spokes I could'nt loose, he adjusted and remounted tyre. He said that this rim was already in good shape and within Honda's spec (2mm), now within 1,2mm and tyre a bit better placed (it's a pain sometime to get TL-tyres to fit good in a TT-rim). Anyway, he was clear that this wheel could not be the cause of my bumpy ride, he wanted me to come back with the front wheel, if this did not work. Front rim looks to be pretty OK, better than rear when I look at it, but the (Betriebsleiter?) said it could be caused by i.e. a too heavy/large tube.
The Honda-garage wanted 132 € to fix the rearwheel, including mounting of tyre and balancing (very few here is able to balance spoke-rims!). So price is reasonable. Well, In Norwegian terms, at least :D

Have not tried to ride the bike yet, a bit rushy here at the moment. Later today, I hope to get time for a testride.

XL-wheels is way to narrow, only 2,15. Have emailed with a professional wheel-maker in Sweden, that can hand-made spokes for the NX-hub to fit a 17 x 3,5 rim. Total cost was hefty 4.200 SEK, approx 460 €. But at least possible to do. So this might be an option one day...

So; out for a test-ride, eventually in to fix the front wheel also.

As soon as the ride is not bumpy anomore, I will give it a good testride, and report back about the Hyperpro fully. Of course.

But so far, I can say this:
I bought via the official Scandinavian distributor Hyperpro.dk. 4.600,- DKK or 6.117,- € for a "Streetbox". Now Hyperpro does'nt make a Streetbox for the NX, but they "handmade" one for me. It came with all needed to replace front and rear, except for a new bolt for the lower fork of the shock (no treads in the fork, as it is in the OE, so I had to find a longer bolt, where I am still looking to find a prefect bolt with M10x1.0 treads and correct strength).
I got a rear damper, who has adjustable springload and 50-step adjustable rebound at bottom. So it is the simplest shock they have. Front springs, nicely made with progressive wounds, included 40W-oil (!!!) and low-friction grease to put in under the dustcaps. And the "usual" stickers and a C-key to adjust spring, and a very good mounting/adjusting manual.
It was a serious pain to mount the rear shock, until I understood I had to dismount the plastics wheelarc/battery compartment. The shock is somewhat bigger than OE, so it was a thight fit. But it fits! ;)
Front springs was straight-forward: Of with the front, empty for old oil, fill up to 151mm oil level (115mm is OE, is'nt it?), so alot lower level than standard. This I belive is to compensate for the very heavy/thick oil. In with springs, re-mount.
First impression: Front is 110% better!!! Front is beautiful! Now it is controllable diving when heavy braking. No feeling of loosing control. Of course the new springs is doing alot here, but the thicker oil I belive must also be an important factor here. Now it's really time to consider better/bigger brakes in front, now it is no problem to brake hefty.
At rear, it is another story. Well, it is nice at the end, but at first I thought something had gone wrong. The bike was approx 30mm higher in seatheight, which made it a challenge for my wife to get on and of the bike. Actually she made to hit the ground (no harm to anyone, but alot of swearing :twisted: ), when she wanted to step of the bike; both because of the height but also the %¤& sidestand, who will return as soon there is no load on it. And we both thought the bike was way to stiff, even harsh, in rear.
I adjusted the rebound to zero, and then back to 15 steps. Standard for my ride Hyperpro has said 25 steps. Now it was doing the job! Actually a bit soft, so I have got back to 25 steps. I wonder if the rebound-valve was sticking? Well, now it is absorbing perfect. I took off the shock and slackened the springpreload back to as little as possible. So now the height is far better. Not measured yet, but I belive it must be similar the OE spec.
I ordered the set to be meant for my wheight (90KG included driving clothes) and only for road. And now the bike is relative stiff, alot stiffer than OE. Not too stiff, at least not for road, but far away from the extremely soft OE style. Probably too stiff for serious offroading.

Now I have not testet to hard in curves etc, because of the bumpy ride. But even If I have not ridden as fast/hard as I probably will do as soon as I get the tyres to be round (...), I can tell it is alot better. It's like getting a new bike, no joke. Now the curves is done sharper and with far better presiscion. Before it could be a challenge to keep the perfect track trough a hard and long curve, now it stays in track as good as any bike.
Definately worth every €€, but for my kind of driving (mostly curves and heights, not much flat roads, and surface is rough) I would have choosen a tiny bit softer springs in rear.

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Fr Sep 19, 2014 10:30 am

Hmmm.... Is there by any chance easy to replace the rim on a XL-wheel? To get a 3,5-4,25 rim? Need new spokes, or is OE spokes OK? Jeez, alot of questions, pretty noob to this rim-spokes-hub-world :D

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von scrambler » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:03 am

Sorry that I didn’t respond earlier, I’m usually not that slow, but I’ve been pretty busy lately. And thanks for the report on the hyperpro set, I’m looking forward about your progress on finding a decent setting.
Thanks for answ He said that this rim was already in good shape and within Honda's spec (2mm

Ok, that’s quite normal with those rims, so I agree that wasn’t the reason for the bumping. So I suspect is has something to do with the new rear shock – maybe the rebound is set too strong? As said, nobody around here bought the Hyperproset, so you are all alone for figuring the set-up ;-).
XL-wheels is way to narrow, only 2,15. Have emailed with a professional wheel-maker in Sweden, that can hand-made spokes for the NX-hub to fit a 17 x 3,5 rim. Total cost was hefty 4.200 SEK, approx 460 €.
Ah, so its supermoto on your screen ;-). Those wheels cost big bucks, maybe they are a few €€ cheaper around here – but since you got pretty hefty customs in Norway I guess it would not make sense to buy them in Germany.
It was a serious pain to mount the rear shock, until I understood I had to dismount the plastics wheelarc/battery compartment.
No you don’t ;-). It took me 20 years to figure it out, but replacing the rear shock is fairly easy and fast. If you push all the cables at the left side of the airfilter box a bit aside you will get access to the bolt that’s fixing the upper screw of the shock download/file.php?id=548&mode=view .
At rear, it is another story. Well, it is nice at the end, but at first I thought something had gone wrong. The bike was approx 30mm higher in seatheight, which made it a challenge for my wife to get on and of the bike.
Yep, that’s why I recommend a shock that’s 1 cm shorter; otherwise the bike will simply get too high for shorter drivers. With that you got ca 16 cm way of travel left, which is enough for most kind of offroad purposes. I suspect the soft rear shock was due to a marketing trick of Honda, they wanted a dual purpose bike with a suspension with high way of travel, but low seat height. So they made the rear shock spring really soft, which required a really soft dampening. But that seat up produced all kind of problems, from not standing safely on the side stand to way to soft shock for drivers over 50kg.

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von scrambler » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:09 am

fikse hat geschrieben:Hmmm.... Is there by any chance easy to replace the rim on a XL-wheel? To get a 3,5-4,25 rim? Need new spokes, or is OE spokes OK? Jeez, alot of questions, pretty noob to this rim-spokes-hub-world :D
Well, at least the spoke question is easy to answer, since new oem spokes are more expensive that stainless spokes (at least in Germany) it would not make sense to buy the former.
Concerning the wider rim you got to buy a new Sanremo or Excel. If you want I can do a little search on the prices in Germany.

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Beitrag von scrambler » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:20 am

You can take a look at HE
he is one of the major wheel builder in Germany. Prices for one pair of wheels (front and back) are at least 660€. However, those wheels do not come with EU- approval, which means for getting them legalized you got to drive to his place. He has his own TÜV official who will do the paperwork. Is that required in Norway?
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btw:. I know there are pretty high taxes on new stuff in Norway, so I would have no problem sending you used, dirty stuff that's not worth anything ;)
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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:26 am

scrambler hat geschrieben:Sorry that I didn’t respond earlier, I’m usually not that slow, but I’ve been pretty busy lately. And thanks for the report on the hyperpro set, I’m looking forward about your progress on finding a decent setting.
You are not committed to reply You know :D just very nice to have your comments and thoughts :P
Thanks for answ He said that this rim was already in good shape and within Honda's spec (2mm

Ok, that’s quite normal with those rims, so I agree that wasn’t the reason for the bumping. So I suspect is has something to do with the new rear shock – maybe the rebound is set too strong? As said, nobody around here bought the Hyperproset, so you are all alone for figuring the set-up ;-).
The bumping I had some time before I replaced the shock, so no. It has to be something with the wheels, so I'm going to garage with the front wheel as soon as possible.
XL-wheels is way to narrow, only 2,15. Have emailed with a professional wheel-maker in Sweden, that can hand-made spokes for the NX-hub to fit a 17 x 3,5 rim. Total cost was hefty 4.200 SEK, approx 460 €.
Ah, so its supermoto on your screen ;-). Those wheels cost big bucks, maybe they are a few €€ cheaper around here – but since you got pretty hefty customs in Norway I guess it would not make sense to buy them in Germany.
Well. If not SM, I would like more road-tyres. Better selection, etc. 130 width at rear I belive would fit this bike nicely. I have 120 width today, and it works, but the 2,5 rim is making the shape of tyre not ideal. OK, but not ideal. I cannot use all tyre now, there is a "chickenstripe" in both left and right extreme :D
It was a serious pain to mount the rear shock, until I understood I had to dismount the plastics wheelarc/battery compartment.
No you don’t ;-). It took me 20 years to figure it out, but replacing the rear shock is fairly easy and fast. If you push all the cables at the left side of the airfilter box a bit aside you will get access to the bolt that’s fixing the upper screw of the shock download/file.php?id=548&mode=view .
The bolt was easy to remove, and the old shock was very easy to remove (and also mount back, if I wanted). But the new Hyperpro is a bit different; Larger spring, and spring is longer somehow. So it was not space enough to locate the shcok correctly to be able to put in the upper bolt. No chance, seriously. But by loosen the 3 bolts under the seat (one in front of battery, two holding the seatlock), I could bend the plastics enough to get the damper in place. When both high and low bolt was in place, it was quite easy to put back the 3 bolts.
At rear, it is another story. Well, it is nice at the end, but at first I thought something had gone wrong. The bike was approx 30mm higher in seatheight, which made it a challenge for my wife to get on and of the bike.
Yep, that’s why I recommend a shock that’s 1 cm shorter; otherwise the bike will simply get too high for shorter drivers. With that you got ca 16 cm way of travel left, which is enough for most kind of offroad purposes. I suspect the soft rear shock was due to a marketing trick of Honda, they wanted a dual purpose bike with a suspension with high way of travel, but low seat height. So they made the rear shock spring really soft, which required a really soft dampening. But that seat up produced all kind of problems, from not standing safely on the side stand to way to soft shock for drivers over 50kg.
Now I took out the shock and adjusted the preload to zero. This makes the bike a bit higher, but now it is absolutely better. My wife has also "accepted" it. Now I have the rebound at 25 steps, as it was when I got it. But now it is pretty much perfect. Firm, so not that extreme softness as the OE has, but I'm starting to like this. Still, I have to get rid of the bumping before Ill give it a thorough testride.

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:33 am

scrambler hat geschrieben:
fikse hat geschrieben:Hmmm.... Is there by any chance easy to replace the rim on a XL-wheel? To get a 3,5-4,25 rim? Need new spokes, or is OE spokes OK? Jeez, alot of questions, pretty noob to this rim-spokes-hub-world :D
Well, at least the spoke question is easy to answer, since new oem spokes are more expensive that stainless spokes (at least in Germany) it would not make sense to buy the former.
Concerning the wider rim you got to buy a new Sanremo or Excel. If you want I can do a little search on the prices in Germany.
Well, Dont do to much out of this. Now we know that rearwheel is absolutely OK, I will probably wait a bit, maybe until next time I need a rear tyre, before i do the 17" conversion. Noe I have to fix the bumping, who must be in the front wheel then...

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Re: Rear wheel not round...

Beitrag von fikse » Mi Sep 24, 2014 9:47 am

scrambler hat geschrieben:You can take a look at HE
he is one of the major wheel builder in Germany. Prices for one pair of wheels (front and back) are at least 660€. However, those wheels do not come with EU- approval, which means for getting them legalized you got to drive to his place. He has his own TÜV official who will do the paperwork. Is that required in Norway?

btw:. I know there are pretty high taxes on new stuff in Norway, so I would have no problem sending you used, dirty stuff that's not worth anything ;)
Prices seems better than what I have found so far. So this one might be actuelle when the job is to be done.

TÜV? Neeh, not much of that on bikes in Norway. We don't have any periodic checks, and the last time I was stopped on a bike at the road to be checked for technical was in 1987 I belive :mrgreen: They are taking about implementing new EU-rules (every second year check??), but there is a long way to go before this is implemented. I know bikers with i.e. very loud pipes or seriously wrong lightning (like HID-kit in a H4) and also drives a bit "unorthodox" can be stopped and checked, and told to show the bike at the norwegian TÛV. I know they can be strict about i.e. the "e"-approval for the exhaust, but have never heard about anyone getting ttrouble for not having papers for the wheels :)
Yes Michael, I'm very happy if You could help me out, the day it is acttuell to get anything for the NX from Germany. Norwegian tax is 25%, so actually not very bad. But to buy from anywhere in EU involves a bit high shippingrates. And if you add shippingrates, toll-gebühr and the product-cost together and put 25% on top of this, it fast eats up the profit. So its profitable to remove original branding/wrapping, maby even put a little dust into the product, and then ship it as a defective or gift, then it is interesting :D I have got sellers in Germany, Austria and UK to do this a few times, and it has worked flawlessly every time. And also I put on my private company's name (company doesnt excists anymore, but customs don't know that), it will also be precessed faster trough customs and mail-system :lol:

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